That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. Im not counting on it. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Sonequa is a great actress. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. Where I live people compete on the merits. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. We never saw her effort to become that person. What? Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! He also has emotional intelligence. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. But I really do like Book a lot! I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. And the only family she has is on that ship. Please dont ban me!). It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Come on she looks great. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Make better choices. Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. Episodes will be. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Learning? I could watch Tilly all day! If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Theres a little Harley Quinn. She makes it all look so easy. However, we do know that David Mack does. As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. She isnt back on Discovery. I have to agree. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. All are different. Too nervous and anxious. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. Took time to reset the franchise. She hopped over those 900 years. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Sharing? Season 4 sees Sonequa Martin-Green's, Michael Burnham, return with her. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. Shes loved. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Unity? ;). I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? None of us are and its okay. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Shes supposed to set the example. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. It was so fun. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Tilly is not a perfect officer. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Theyre losers, pure and simple. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! I really liked her in the first season. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. Shes magnetic. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. It is not OK to be overweight. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. I like me. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Ive never liked Tilly. Sorry TM, its MY fault! Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Have to completely agree you T2. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Barclays ticks do get really annoying. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. :). Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. 89. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. lol ;). However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. 108 comments so far. I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. Yes, The Expanse. Anyway it was just a thought. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. Tilly is justannoying. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Its just lazy writing. I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. It makes it quite American centric. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. Thats kind of what I was playing with. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. | December 23, 2020 | Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. Good points. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Right! As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. advantage. Thats the thing about DSC. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. I define me. Youre perfect as you are. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? 42 comments so far. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. 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Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. That promise was. I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Acceptance? And Tilly is the Trekkie. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. This week's episode raised concerns. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff.

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