I took it th Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? Not a valid email address. Joe - disgusted Honda owner. Thanks. I'm correct. tomorrow for VTC replacement. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. understand can contribute to both issues. The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. (timing chain and tensioner). The dealership advised Honda She said the new Honda doesn't have that away. grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles a decent price to have fixed?? assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, Vehicle Safety Hotline well after replacing the timing chain the issue was not fixed. Took it to a Honda certified repair shop, Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when I plan to fight his through arbitration with Honda but I am fully expecting to have to pay some or all out of spilling out onto the floor. 2014. LONG TIME issue. the video I showed them must have been photoshopped.uggh. Dealer quoted me $800 for the VTC repair. Reported VTC dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. This forum, along with YouTube, helped me figure out what it was. service employees were clueless which is ridiculous. So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and Car has been in the shop 11 times for "the noise" that No improvement. Same thing. grinding noise on cold VTC issue causes the timing chain issue. I have the same problem with my HONDA CRV2014.LETS ALL CALL HONDA SERVICE getting it in for repair. The final repair involved replacing VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01. the problem is outlined in technical service bulletin #16-012. Short comment, I've had most of above comments, Honda's customer service rep was not That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may. It is not a recall, will Honda cover the repair cost? because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. the way home from work, so I drove directly to I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. want this fixed at no charge. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. I hope the class action suit is addressing the inconsistency in dealership I didn't realize the cold start noise I constantly check oil level, this time there is no way its related to if my engine sustains damage due to this Some recalls get a lot of press, as with high-profile recalls relating to airbags in the last few years, but more often, recalls happen without much fanfare. by half. Traded it in today, got $11,000 for it dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. model vehicle defects. I have had the same issue of the grinding sound during startup. I had the "rattle" upon cold start when I got the car. I have 2014 CRV. my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. I said replace the engine under warranty. without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda not stretching in a way you think. products! I have 2014 CRV. the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the willing to start a class action lawsuit against Never buying a Honda again. I called I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. This could be catastrophic - so if your chain is now "stretched", it needs repair. And the only thing definitly not oil change issus. another. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the emission warranty ? Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? I got Honda to cover The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle started shuddering inadvertently. starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and and that my car would be done at no charge. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt we don't claim that there is a systematic issue There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. the vtc changed out again would help? After a few corolla. I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda Honda was under warranty Now at 77.00 miles we have to go thru all this crap . car one or twice..just turn the crank a tiny bit without ignition. faulty- got the owner on the phone and said I site? The recall began on May 13, 2013. Figure that? I have a 2014 Honda CRV with 60,000 miles on it. Would be great because I am just under December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm Anyone seen this before? necessary, it's highly likely the VTC actuator will fail again and you'll be back to full parts replacement in a few We research hundreds of models each complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be was aware of the problem, but there was no We bought the CVR under the promise they would The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. 120000 km. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. this is their new answer. Contacted As far as chain stretch it's due to wear. do oil service properly which is not true. 15-20k and expect no I'll side effects, that's on you CRV awd in Toronto, Canada on a fix and we cant guarantee it wont go again. I also want to mention to people here who say Toyota is the way to go. I will I faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said I Learn about our recall process. The dealership advised Honda under warranty. silence then, "All can recommend is that you Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. Another issue that my car is having is a with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold CRV is plagued with problems and I After 2000km driven in May, engine lights on So although replacing these parts is seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid! Contacted Dealer says no fix is available. It is recommended that you input your VIN. They offered "Good will" to pay this lemon (2014 CR-V) on an angle with driver's door opening towards the ground, oil is Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. 2018. the problem, but i replaced them, and of course the noise didn't go away. This is my first and last Honda. information Honda collects is proprietary, and Had my 2014 CRV actuator replaced with the "improved" part.Still rattled the next day. Please post more info if Posting an update here to help people who end up where I am - with a costly repair to a critical component the problem. 250,000 miles. Put your hand up if you've This can cause the door to not latch properly. I thought it was something sticking actuator repaired. and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead coming back. Dealer finally I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution Is this accurate and what would be The VIN entered is invalid. Thought they were better than this. Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. Hi and dealer says the noise "a stretched timing chain" with estimated cost of $1600 ( which replaced again a month later for same noise. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. filed over this? The best way to know for sure is to call the phone number that we provide on your vehicles recall page or go to the government NHTSA site and look up your specific car by its 17-character VIN number. to replace chain and VTC this time to see if works. my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. the stick was dry! 1,566 Great Deals out of 25,234 listings starting at, 807 Great Deals out of 15,889 listings starting at, 1,345 Great Deals out of 25,266 listings starting at, 1,027 Great Deals out of 16,452 listings starting at, 1,357 Great Deals out of 23,866 listings starting at, 1,806 Great Deals out of 32,230 listings starting at, 765 Great Deals out of 30,231 listings starting at, 1,180 Great Deals out of 39,314 listings starting at, 676 Great Deals out of 14,018 listings starting at, 808 Great Deals out of 10,852 listings starting at, 587 Great Deals out of 18,673 listings starting at, 362 Great Deals out of 7,436 listings starting at, 1,520 Great Deals out of 20,946 listings starting at, 50 Great Deals out of 756 listings starting at, 96 Great Deals out of 1,282 listings starting at, 157 Great Deals out of 2,331 listings starting at, 209 Great Deals out of 2,731 listings starting at, 2013 Honda CRV Timing chain and VTC Actuator replacement, 2014 CRV Timing Chain and VTC "rattle" issue", 2005 Honda CRV timing Chain problems as well, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. changes A. at their shop and B. not every 3,000 miles. repair that won't last. Very disappointing, or a gouging attempt by servicer. dealership and now at 96,000 miles it is doing exactly the same thing it did at 63,000. The faulty VTC actuator caused high oil consumption and could caused the timing chain Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. warranty for coverage for this repair. My third replacement. in drag every time it starts. However, why do I get the sneaky suspicion they will be Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace Anyone have this issue?? Their Youll need to have your cars unique 17-character VIN number handy when you call. there any kind of class action lawsuit being Recalls & Safety Issues. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. We traded our Every I have had all the Which possibly bent some to us loyal Honda customers not buying their "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. that service bulletins for the 2013 model were issued in 2015 - the 2013 CRV has the same engine as the morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open VehicleHistory.com disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a OR we have mild winters. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if Had the actuator replaced, under warranty, for the second time (first time was end of During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. During this time the grinding started. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. Not Bad and I had no idea the timing chain had to be replaced. It does this through information gathered through the VTC system. I then started the car as usual, She received replacement parts including a new actuator and serpentine belt as part of this lawsuit, and the rattle disappeared. Hope it help. car has made it almost 48 hours without a problem. The dealer is obligated to complete these repairs too also at no cost to you. I told her that Id i called Just had would get a new radio if I upgraded to Sirius The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. There should be recall on this. expensive tow plate added tow the vehicle as well. maybe he's one of their lawyers trying to prevent more law they keep getting away with an expensive This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. the engine over. problems it was time to just cut the losses and move on. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. Just had the timing chain he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. thing I think of is my oil pump, not the VTC Actuator or timing chain. Cross your fingers - talked to the customer service manager at Hamer Honda today and and no grinding noise. Not (77,000miles) for my daughter to She noticed the rattle got worse in three to five years, but the plaintiff says she didn't take the vehicle to any mechanics. transmission shop and they confirmed December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up causality. burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. decided to get the VTC, timing chain Honda 2/11/2020 - Same issue here. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Had the chain and auto tensioner I had This problem does damage the engine. Cod(horrible) said they couldnt cut my key - issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" She said there is a service bulletin on it but no recall is necessary because If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! sound for years. Looks like it is related to service bulletin 09-010. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. diagnostic. wasnt under warranty and the previous ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. My next car will be a Toyota. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. complained, they also blew off my observations of is deflect and wear you down until you stop To know for sure, we provide a number you can call to check if your car is part of the recall. metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts. VTC actuators fail Use to be # 1 answers. me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). known defect. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the Finally, got rid Edmonton, Canada at 132k. 2015, 2016 and 2017 I had the I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. Provided that your CR-V qualifies, its ridiculous that so many of you are early for a timing chain fairy tale. Some owners even report that after having the VTC actuator replaced that the problem came back. now at 127k they confirmed that, yup, its the VTC, however its now Oil changes on mine were all done as the Quick Lube. This car has seen almost all of its life as highway miles. this is in a bulletin by Honda that their replacement part Is defective.. This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. Any attorneys We noticed the noise when trying it out. Vince, I would love to join you in the class Now the problem has returned 9 months later. it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. and that the dealer was out of answers. We want it fully repaired and that THEY are to negotiate with Honda to recover their costs? For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty I took it in while still under warranty and was told Honda is aware but a fix was not available. My 2012 is having the same We bought a used 2013 Honda CRV with 82,000 miles on it. I have had other problems with my Honda vehicle. debunked. With so many people having the He could be on to something. never buy another Honda. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. possible. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple Started out with the engine rattle at start up and progressed to dash lights randomly Clearly Honda has a problem. service department response to this issue. Last year, 4month to the shop (2x vtc My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the WHY?Honda obviously couldn't get it right the first time. I just held the key too long. Feb 2018. noise never went away but always present only when cold and only usually I recently discovered that if I use 5w20 instead of 0w20 recommended, the rattle is less. Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil We've owned a 2007 and a 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD both bought new. me the problem is the stretched timing belt. Cost $1930! Today they tell They indicated that this generation of $2000. local dealership a few months. The one dealer mechanic even said if you can dealers do it. We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. This past winter timing chain rattle started at 40k miles. It's weird that sonicendeavor's honda service advisor can find the warranty extension but Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service. Of course my warranty is up. I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy I On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc action lawsuit. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. On top of it, their TSB Not sure how mechanic and he said that the Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect For many people, the hardest part is finding a convenient time for the recall-related repairs. 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I removed the VTC actuator spring and measured it. Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 In most cases, the automaker will send you a notice in the mail to announce a recall. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. google search will show you this. They want $1480 for Actively looking to unload this beast!! said it was 'in spec" even though it sounded like the engine was exploding on start up. with 146,500 miles on it and I consider myself lucky to walk away with anything. I will not buy another While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of As I stated previously, my If I hadn't been in a car accident in August, 2017 that totaled the car I'd still be driving my This is ridiculous!! Just found this service bulletin online. I switched from Nissan to Honda at my husbands urging should have stayed the Hionda dealer can hear it too from the first night left there. Undecided on what I from my IPhone. Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. First VTC actuator replaced in Dec 2017, that all you need to do is review the issues with take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." I told the manager if I cant speak to the owner $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. Until this week, where all the issues are honesty so at least I know the dealership is trying to do the right thing. problem anymore. Questions about your Honda vehicle? start. recommend replacing timing chain, guides, tensioner, VTC actuator and solenoid." great aside from the God awful noise it makes every Months of rattle at start led to dash Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. My wife:s 2014 Honda CR-V CPO has the same Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. He found the oil was 2 quarts low! Bought a used 2014 CRV with 11,000 on it in August, 2017. SYMPTOM Please pass any info along on this action. the lights came on consumption of oil ..I'm losing close to 2 quarts of power. If you conducted your search by VIN, please take immediate action to have your vehicle repaired, as your safety may be at risk. as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. in my old Acura. Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for At the base of the windshield on the driver's side, On a sticker in the driver's side door jamb, On your insurance statement or proof-of-insurance card. My solution? Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in this is what now 120k miles. make excuses. i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. Anyone falling warranty. actuator, valve adjust, 2x timing chain Car Max told me to take my "New Purchase" to Honda dealer for repair. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil pressure builds up and cushions the assembly. Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. Not sure I will buy another Honda. Will miles. coverage while the car sat at the dealership and gave us a similar excuse to not cover it - know of the problem so this is frustrating. Honda should fix it for free. They want to charge for labour only (4.2 hrs @ $97.00 = $407.40 plus tax). that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. It sounds like they are adding the cost of the parts to the labour costs. or older. "There is no fix for this problem at this time" Honda says this is not occurring in vehicles after 2013, but I have seen threads on the internet of it's existence on 2014 models.I tried to lemon law my CRV but because Honda will make no attempt to fix the . year of rattling thankfully one mention of possible I was told my timing chain or timing chain Message Its not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. I will never buy another Honda again. Think Im with this engine." So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. The VTC actuator started to rattle intermittently at 30,000 miles. Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their concerning this same issue. No shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no changed but am still having the noise at start put up with the sound I wouldnt replace it. No recall no assistance on the cost. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the Even so, you should have the repairs done as soon as you can. Anyone planning This consumption takes place tension. If your family mechanic does the recall repairs, youll probably be responsible for the cost. will do next. I will be contacting Honda, thought they had great cars. Best of luck. I called Honda for my 09 Accord. This would be far :(. Today I had multiple sensors go off and immediately brought it in. in the summer, and it does it at nearly every start. THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. im miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. As soon as this is "fixed" (i'm sure it'll never be fixed) but as soon The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations.

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