+Nick Strother, he TOLD you right up front he was only including cartridges that can be found chambered in most any rifle. Prairie dogs?). And it isn't just the 308 that the 25-06 can best at long range, I compared many other leading types of competition or "flat-shooting" rounds, such as .243, .243 WSSM, 6mm Rem, 6.5 Grendel, .270 Win, .260 Rem, 6.5 x 55 Swede. Love it Jim ! . Therefore my velocity is up to around 3175fps, BC .434 G1 and the 500 yard drop is 23 with a 300 yard zero sight in. Take a look at the MPBR column and note how close they all are. The reason why 6.5mm cartridges are exploding in popularity is because they are ultra-efficient. If Ive left out an obvious winner or near winner, write in and state your case. drops 6.7 inches at 300 yards and just under 20 inches at 400 yards. That should be pretty close to flat. Enjoying many of your video\s whilst stuck in lockdown. I had to calculate this one out, as Weatherbys ballistics charts dont go past 500 yards. No howitzers or tanks.). The .204 will work quiet well at 500 yards with good shot placement. Ballistically, the cartridge is very similar to the 6.5 PRC, but unlike the PRC it uses a standard 0.473 rim diameter like the .308 Winchester. Barrel length will change MV. For bigger game, I could easily hunt with either the 240 or 6.5-300 Weatherbys. (not the bullet Id choose for this beast, just puts it nicely in line with the others), What does that do for you at regular ranges? The Chey-Tac M200 Intervention is the bolt-action rifle built to handle this round, and shooters have been documented firing a group of 3 shots within 16 inches at 2,321 yards. At 500 yards even the flattest shooting rounds are going to be dropping somewhere around 30". Surely this is 42.9 just over a meter? And that light recoil not only makes you a better shot in the field; it also makes practicing more fun and productive. Ive posted your article on my wildlife and hunting group on FB. Just what the perfect balance between MV and BC is remains unanswered by me. Your Knowledge is greatly appreciated! Thats true, but the bullets have been vetted. Just curious if you included the 300 Norma or maybe I missed it. Thanks for the chart for bullet drop but for Big Game Hunting I would rather see the down range energy. bullets at faster speeds allows the projectile to get to the target sooner, minimizing the amount of time all three forces have to affect the bullets trajectory. For serious shooters, thats a non-starter. Jim, The .17 HMR is based upon the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire casing, necked down to .17 Caliber. It's not until you get farther out that BC starts making a big difference. Mag. Although its going to be easier to estimate drop for a 700 yard shot with a 30-378, compared to a 30-06, you still need to range your animal within +/-25 yards using the 30-378 to hit vitals. Thoughts on this? Twenty years ago, Winchester introduced the .270 WSM (Winchester Short Magnum). bullet. = 3002 inches = 250 foot = 76m above target at 1000 yds now thats a challenge ! RELATED: 6.5 Creedmoor: The New King of Cartridges? However, the lead that the 25-06 has is pretty small. The Nosler AccuBond is one of the best all-round big-game bullets offered, and Weatherby has smarly offered the 140-grain version for their 6.5 RPM cartridge. Share: Facebook Twitter WhatsApp Email Share Link. Before we check that out, lets give a nod to the 240 Wby. Top muzzle velocities with the same combination of powder, primer, and bullet can vary by 100 to 200 fps. The non-bonded bullet should deliver good terminal performance up close and at distance. That, combined with their relatively small size, means that compared to cartridges of similar powder capacity, the 6.5s will almost always do more, in terms of external and terminal ballistics, with less recoil. While that incredibly fast 6.5-300 Wby. Always be open to new possibilities. With the 6.5 PRC, Hornady has created a better version of the old barrel-burner. I ran the numbers with the 180 grain Ballistic tip at 3420 fps. Of course, the .270 Win was developed in 1925 when 1000 yard shots were effectively unheard of. . There's currently no better option for the AR-15 when the range extends much past 500 yards. Because it was used in the Civil War, the term "flattest" is not an exact description. But if it isnt, go read the article again. Developed form the military, Winchester . Most common calibers are just fine for regular range shots under 300 yards. Mag. They are normalized within caliber. Before we check that out, let's give a nod to the 240 Wby. Mag., according to Noslers Handloading Guide 9. I have used it also in a Ruger #1 with a 26 barrel and thoroughly enjoyed the distance it affords me. With its rebated rim and 1/2-inch diameter at the base, it is essentially a longer version of the 6.5284 Norma; ballistically equivalent to the .264 Winchester Magnum. Not many of us can afford the ammo, let alone the rifles and scopes that chamber it, in such calibers as 375 CheyTac, 408 CheyTac, or 416 Barrett. Faster velocities mean flatter trajectories. Both are 338-378 Wby. Thats comparing apples to apples with the others up above, using a 6 vitals zone. Been there done that, so Im not playing holier-than-thou. As magnums go, the .257 Weatherby is a mild kicker, and it's a great long-range cartridge for deer, pronghorn, sheep, and the like. That's impressive but misleading. MPBR with a 150-grain spire point from a 308 Winchester might extend to 317 yards on an 8-inch target while a 300 RUM might push that same bullet to 373 yards. Great information you have come up with. 264 Winmag The URSA gongs are 37 inches round and if you get 4 out of 10 you advance in 500 yard increments. The caveat here is that fastest becomes a bit murky. You can't go wrong with a .308 for a 500 yard rifle. All are welcome. Im going to bookmark your website and keep checking for new details about once a week. With a muzzle velocity faster than 3000 fps, it offers great external and terminal ballistics. Ive included different bullet weights/BCs for most rounds to illustrate how BC changes drop at longer ranges. bullet faster than did the larger volume 30-378 Wby. Most of these are all-around cartridges intended for variety of CXP2 and CXP3 class game that offer an adequately flat trajectory for antelope hunting with appropriate loads (usually the lighter weight bullets . RELATED: How the Brand-New 27 Nosler Revives the .277. This is an example of how different loads in different rifles can produce different results. It is a flat shooting cartridge, able to hit a target at 300 yards with negligible hold over. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. Nevertheless, flat shooting cartridges have long fascinated hunters and driven cartridge development and sales. Want to run your own ballistics numbers? I am looking for a really flat shooting cartridge up to 500 yards for a Remington rebarrel project I have. Trust but verify. Impeccable analysis here. At 150 yards the target is a 6 inch hole and the gong is behind it. The 27 Nosler bests the .270 Winchester by about 400 fps with 150-grain bullets. Shooters have no real idea how much drop a bullet has at long ranges like 1500 yards. via the Davenport formula. This newer Weatherby 6.5 combines plenty of gas with manageable recoil. I work at a very large and popular firearms dealer, and I have sold dozens (if not hundreds) if the 6.5, but I havent sold 1, or had anyone even ask about the top 3 in this list. The Government .45-70 can give you the perfect hunting experience as it is one of the top calibers used by hunters. Just curious have you ever looked at the 284 Winchester for flat shooting. When you havent time to engage a laser rangefinder, knowing you can reach the kill zone with a dead-center hold at any distance out to 373 yards is pretty comforting. Hornady's ELD line of bullets is considered the most precisely made, and the flattest shooting for any specific caliber. Up until that time, there had only really been two .277-caliber hunting cartridgesthe .270 Winchester and the .270 Weatherbyso the .270 WSM was almost immediately popular. I\d be curious to know what the minimum cost is for just the rifle or a quality budget build. And here they are: Flattest at 300 yards 240 Wby. Danny. Below is a chart indicating the three best flat-shooting cartridges and their muzzle velocity, drop, energy levels, and felt recoil. I realize that you looked at several different loads for each cartridge to figure out which one was the flattest shooting. The company set out to push the limits with this thing, designing it as a flat-shooting 6.5mm cartridge with performance capable of taking full advantage of the newest long-range shooting reticles used in today's scopes. bullet 12 inches at 500 yards, a low B.C. Aug 31, 2013. I mean, its the flattest shooting cartridge around, but you took a huge bump in recoil over the 300 win mag or even 270 WSM for 41 more usable yards of MPBR. Nor are we maintaining that the flattest shooting cartridge/bullet is the ultimate determinant of a good hunting round. Also, youll find more ammo options for the .308 Winchester than any of the others. The multiple loads for each cartridge are not at all pulled at random. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_7',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Spinning high B.C. But what are the flattest shooting rifle cartridges? .25-06 AI with a Berger 115 VLD that's moving 3,600 fps. Yes I know its a barrel burner but so is the 300RUM and others on the list. Beyond 600 or 800 yards, however, the efficiency of the high B.C. Once again great effort appreciated. 4/1/2016. With those thoughts in mind, it is easy to see why the 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler and the 6.5300 Weatherby Magnums are the best flat-shooting cartridges offered to rifle shooters today. The Barrett 416 or CheyTac exceeds this - I have witnessed it first hand - then you get into the wildcat cartridges. Manners thumbhole stock, trigger tech trigger at around a pound. At 300 yards it has dropped around 13 inches, and at 500 yards it's just under 60 inches (5 feet). Your email address will not be published. Here we go! I prefer larger calibers for elk, but the .270 is perfectly adequate for elk, and I have personally used it for elk all the way to 400 yards with no problems. 2. If you like the idea of a six-five for going long, but hate the Creed and want something a bit different, the 6.5-284 Norma is the way to go. Always amazing to me its not even on those lists. First, some boundaries. Accuracy, knowledge of your rifle and its drops at different ranges, and knowledge of the conditions will dictate your very long range shots. Its just physics. With the highest BC bullets, the 26 Nosler remains supersonic beyond 1,750 yards. I also appreciate the realistic exposition of the relevant comparison between effects of flat-shooting cartridge vs judging cross-wind! lotsa guys on the internet claim 500 yards is no problem . projectile that you might crown that one King, especially since that 100-grain sounds a bit more reasonable for deer-sized game. numbers which are not quite as accurate as G7 numbers in predicting trajectories of todays wildly long, sleek bullets. Kind regards. Flat shooting, minimal recoil and low noise, the .17 HMR is one of the top performing cartridges for shooting ground squirrels out to 200 yards easily. Please, keep up the great work! Lots of hunters consider the .270 Winchester one of the best all-purpose, short- and long-range cartridges of all time. Think 30-30 necked down to a .25 cal. Well, Im done Adulting for Today and Tomorrow. If it makes you feel better to hate the 6.5 Creedmoor, go ahead. Save big on firearms, accessories, tactical gear, clothing, and ammunition from now until March 29. Now, the .280 AI is finally a SAAMI-approved cartridge, and while ammunition options are sparse, its performance is right there with the 7mm Remington Magnum. The goal with the 6 mm ARC was to provide the flattest-shooting cartridge compatible with an AR-15. Im not sure Im reading this right but there seems to be a decimal missing. The issue with the Nosler cartridges is barrel life. Its muzzle velocity is 1880 fps, and muzzle energy is 2355 ft. lbs. Depending on the caliber you are using, a long-range shooting may be at 1,000 and more yards, but if you are committed to rimfires than 200-300 yards is very long-distance shooting. Since nearly all long-distance shooters today use a laser rangefinder, does it even matter which cartridges shoot the flattest? Not sure if the OP is considering them or not. Hey there from Melbourne, Australia. The lesser charge is a flatter, close group load. great to see bullet drops and equate them in inches of drop brings home the reality of how much impact good old gravity has on ballistics.even with the flattest cartridges still aiming the height of a house above the target @1000 yds The 300 Win Mag is definitely on the list. Links or names greatly appreciated, Thanks! I was surprised the 308 warbird was not included with the 208gr or 212gr bullet. At 1000 yards a .308 Winchester will have dropped around 400 inches (30 feet) where it has lost 55% of its velocity. In any caliber the cartridge that attains the highest muzzle velocity wins the flat shooter award, so theres no sense arguing that the 6.5 Grendel might shoot as flat as the 27 Nosler. Dear James Thanks again. Ditto the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5-300 Wby. Know your trajectory curve and nail the shot distance with a range finder and you can offset huge rates of drop. spitting a 100-gr. The spin rate helps to stabilize the projectile along its path, cut through drag and higher case capacities give the projectile more velocity thus delivering the bullet to the target more quickly. I've heard that too! How can I get all the data in a spread sheet form like you showed in your video? Thats equal magnitude to 200fps less flatness! 1.5" high at 100, would be dead-on at 250, and only drop 30" at 550. Heres a chart from my Popular Hunting Cartridges Compared article. It has flipped positions with the 6.5, losing by a mere 1.4-inches. again. The rifle would be used for game to 600 yards (self imposed limit) up to the occasional Elk. again. Shot from SAAMI-mandated 1-8 twist barrels, the 6.5s long, slender bullets seem to almost defy wind and gravity and allow this cartridge to deliver clean kills at distance. But you did such an awesome job with this data. It outperforms the .280 Remington (also known as the 7mm-06 and the 7mm Express), and for years wildcatters and handloaders have been singing its praises. However, I have a question to ask you. Indeed, some deer also live in places where a 50-yard shot is much more likely than a 500-yard shot. What Is The Best Hunting Cartridge To 500 yds. Shane Olson, nope, no sarcasm involved, simply pointing out a straight fact, which I stand by. It has flipped positions with the 6.5, losing by a mere 1.4-inches. Choosing the flattest shooting rifle cartridge in each caliber category seems fair, fun, and revealing, so well do that before identifying the all time top dog. Check out ShootersCalculator.com By Adriel So it ends up being a very fair comparison. Another one or two probably should have made the original list. Shooting a 180-grain bullet (.507 G1 BC) at 2,960 fps and sighted in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, the .300 Win. Now, you might think this cartridge is new and unproven. Top Granted I do live in New England, and we dont have that many long shot opportunities here, but you would think someone would want to have there firearms chambered in such a flat shooting cartridge. For a moose and caribou combo hunt, it's certainly an easy choice..270 Winchester - Like the 30-06, this is a classic caliber that can take on any of North America's big game species. flat-shooting, and light recoiling cartridge was extremely effective on deer-sized game. rating) driven more slowly. Its trajectory is awesome. For example, the 7mm Weatherby Magnum will shoot the same bullet as a 7mm Remington Magnum, but it will do it about 10 percent faster. At 300 yards, the hold over (assuming a 250 yard zero) is only 2.6 inches. Caliber Flattest Shooting Load BC; 7mm R Mag: Hor 139 gr InBd HvMag.480: 270 WSM (1) Fed 130 gr Nosler BT.428: 300 Win Mag: Hor 150 gr InBd . That's pretty dang flat. Another and even better option for reaching out to a big game animal with an AR15 is the 6.5 Grendel. For example, the .50BMG and the 6.5 Creedmoor both launch bullets at approximately the same muzzle velocity of 2,700fps. The 220 Swift would be my pick for coyotes, rodents, and probably pronghorn if it werent for the wind deflection issue. In 2015, Mann began contributing to Field & Stream to cover guns, ammunition, ballistics, and hunting. (This is essentially what Hornady did to the .260 Remington to make the 6.5 Creedmoor.) Montana! The new Federal Premium, 130-grain Terminal Ascent load with a muzzle velocity of 2825 fps shoots flat and the bullet is tough enough to handle up close impacts while still delivering good expansion at distance. Excellent job. Hornadys Precision Hunter 145-grain ELD-X at 2,950 fps is the flattest-shooting .270 Winchester load. More hunters should get to know this fantastic round. All Rights Reserved, My Group Therapy: Shooting Log Book | 100 pages (6"x9") | Record Target Shooting Data & Improve your Skills and Precision Paperback June 13, 2019. This lets you focus on having only one caliber to maintain. My name is Steve and I have just viewed your video on the Flattest Shooting Cartridges. My father has been shooting a 6.5300 wby we had made for him in the early 80s and it was only limited by bullet construction. This should be recommended reading for all shooters learning to shoot long range shots. Your email address will not be published. Velocity, drop, energy and the use of bullets with their own factors which create their ballistic coefficients all should be considered. The 6 mm ARC flattens the curve, and as a 2020 introduction, it could be nicknamed the "Corona Cartridge." . All three cartridges also offer ample case capacity, allowing enough powder to send bullets at drag-defying velocities. Check out ShootersCalculator.com. If you dont have good range finding equipment, youre hooped either way; humans will have extreme difficulty judging 700 from 725 without physical land markers or other range finding signs. Why? The way in which cartridge manufacturers develop rounds to overcome these forces is the twist rates of the barrels in the rifles the cartridges are chambered in, developing longer, more aerodynamic bullets with narrower ogives and case capacity. A 100-grain .243 bullet with a G1 ballistic coefficient around .400 at a muzzle velocity of 2,960 carries just over 800 foot-pounds of energy at 500 yards. Hello Jim, (Curiosity? Since 1962, when the round was introduced in conjunction with the Remington 700, countless others have arrived at the same conclusion. It's a shame the .25-06 is in decline at the moment. A Canadian sniper had a record kill at over 3500 yards last year in Afghanistan. Even the heaviest Weatherby factory load (120-grain Partition) leaves the muzzle at 3,305 feet per second and retains 1,221 foot-pounds of energy at 500 yards. The 26 and 28 Nosler as well as the 6.5300 Weatherby Magnum all utilize heavy for caliber bullets with high ballistic coefficients that are stabilized by barrels with fast twist rates. Most center-fire rifles that are legal for deer hunting can take a deer at 300 yards. Does it matter if there are -30 of drop or -40 of drop if the answer is simply to spin the turret a few extra clicks? It will push a 90-grain Fusion bullet to 500 yardswhich is probably the limit for big game with this cartridgewhile still retaining enough velocity to initiate expansion. At A Glance: Our Top 5 Picks For Long Range Calibers in 2022 Best for Beginners: 5.56mm/.223 Remington Minimal Recoil: 224 Valkyrie Best for Long Range: 243 Winchester Best for Seasoned Shooters: 6mm Creedmoor Best Value: 6.5mm Grendel The .277 bullet earns a lower B.C. The first category will include cartridges with a +/- 3" maximum point blank range (MPBR) of greater than 270 but less than 300 yards. And yes, the .223/5.56 even dominates that match. Barrel twist rates spin the bullet out of the muzzle in a spiral much akin to a quarterback throwing a football. The .308 Winchester will win no ballistic awards; its simply a shorter version of the time-tested and beloved .30/06. Pest control, home defense, and long-range shooting can all be done with 5.56. Fast and flat shooting b#%ds. The flattest shooting caliber and load I could find was the .300 RUM shooting a 150 grain bullet. The article has really peaked my interest. I hope this report clears up some trajectory confusion and perhaps settles some old arguments. | Be aware that many of these bullets could have been target bullets. inherent in 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets. Still, if youre goal is to push heavy projectiles to the outer reaches, Noslers 28 may be the best 7mm option out there. What are the best long-range cartridges: .22-250 Remington .308 Winchester .300 Winchester Magnum .338 Lapua Magnum .300 Weatherby Magnum 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5-284 Norma 26 Nosler I too am a huge fan of Ron Spomer. Generally, traditional Weatherby Magnum cartridges perform slightly better than their Winchester or Remington magnum counterparts.

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